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		<title>Comment on Cinderella Ate My Daughter by Pretty Cool &#171; WhatWouldGwynethDo</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/books/cinderella.html#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>Pretty Cool &#171; WhatWouldGwynethDo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much rather see them on a superhero or Transformer than on a princess or a doll. The whole &#8220;Cinderella Ate My Daughter&#8221; controversy? She would be lucky to get a nibble in this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] much rather see them on a superhero or Transformer than on a princess or a doll. The whole &#8220;Cinderella Ate My Daughter&#8221; controversy? She would be lucky to get a nibble in this [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cinderella Ate My Daughter by Meisjes in de roze periode &#124; Woman matters</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/books/cinderella.html#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Meisjes in de roze periode &#124; Woman matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amerikaanse journaliste en moeder van een dochter onderzoekt het verschijnsel in een boek &#8216;Cinderella ate my daughter&#8217;. Ze gaat te rade bij psychologen en hoort de getuigenissen van andere ouders, ze onderzoekt de [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amerikaanse journaliste en moeder van een dochter onderzoekt het verschijnsel in een boek &#8216;Cinderella ate my daughter&#8217;. Ze gaat te rade bij psychologen en hoort de getuigenissen van andere ouders, ze onderzoekt de [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Schoolgirls by Checking in from San Jose &#124; the Satsumabug blog</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/books/schoolgirls.html#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Checking in from San Jose &#124; the Satsumabug blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some wonderful books which will surely inspire future posts (just finished Peggy Orenstein&#8217;s SchoolGirls, and am 70 pages into Sister Wendy&#8217;s nearly-400-page The Story of Painting). I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some wonderful books which will surely inspire future posts (just finished Peggy Orenstein&#8217;s SchoolGirls, and am 70 pages into Sister Wendy&#8217;s nearly-400-page The Story of Painting). I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fight Fun with Fun! by TV and your precious offspring: Learning to dance with the devil &#171; elayeyelaye</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/resources.html#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>TV and your precious offspring: Learning to dance with the devil &#171; elayeyelaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kick it off is the fabulous Peggy Orenstein&#8217;s resource page, with its irrefutable motto: Fight fun with fun! Most of this page is devoted to books. As well it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kick it off is the fabulous Peggy Orenstein&#8217;s resource page, with its irrefutable motto: Fight fun with fun! Most of this page is devoted to books. As well it [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pixar&#8217;s Female Problem: Please Stop Asking Me, &#8220;What About Jessie?&#8221; by Studio Ghibli&#8217;s &#8216;The Secret World of Arrietty&#8217; stars intrepid heroine &#171; Reel Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Studio Ghibli&#8217;s &#8216;The Secret World of Arrietty&#8217; stars intrepid heroine &#171; Reel Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  That kind of screen equality is rare in American animation (this year Pixar releases its first movie with a female lead), but it’s never been an issue at Ghibli, where girls have long reigned, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  That kind of screen equality is rare in American animation (this year Pixar releases its first movie with a female lead), but it’s never been an issue at Ghibli, where girls have long reigned, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pixar&#8217;s Female Problem: Please Stop Asking Me, &#8220;What About Jessie?&#8221; by plunderb</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunderb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the Walt Disney Era not a single male lead is an adult human.&quot;

This is only true because you have used an inconsistent application of the labels &quot;child&quot; and &quot;adult.&quot; You consistently classify teenage male protagonists as children, while female protagonists of the same age are classified as adults. Why is Peter Pan a child while Alice is an adult? 

I&#039;m not sure why we should privilege the category of &quot;adult&quot; protagonists when counting noses. Is the fact that Pinocchio is a child (or a puppet, I guess) make him less male? He doesn&#039;t want to be a real child — he wants to be a real boy. I also see little reason to exclude non-human protagonists, particularly when they are anthropomorphized. You could certainly do an interesting analysis of child vs. adult vs. non-human vs. anthropomorphized animal protagonists, but when the discussion is about the gender ratio, these other categorizations just seem like excuses to minimize the number of male protagonists.

Another way of looking at it:

Disney era: 5 female; 5 male (Pongo for 101 Dalmatians and Lady for L&amp;T based on narrator/dominant perspective)

Post Disney: 1 female (Aristocats); 8 male; 1 ensemble

Renaissance: 4 female; 5 male; 1 ensemble

Post-Renaissance: 2 female; 8 male 

In this count, the protagonists are split more or less equally in 2 eras and substantially unequal (in favor of male characters) in the other 2 eras, including the most recent.

Either way you slice it, the idea that Disney overrepresents female protagonists (in any era) holds no water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the Walt Disney Era not a single male lead is an adult human.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is only true because you have used an inconsistent application of the labels &#8220;child&#8221; and &#8220;adult.&#8221; You consistently classify teenage male protagonists as children, while female protagonists of the same age are classified as adults. Why is Peter Pan a child while Alice is an adult? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why we should privilege the category of &#8220;adult&#8221; protagonists when counting noses. Is the fact that Pinocchio is a child (or a puppet, I guess) make him less male? He doesn&#8217;t want to be a real child — he wants to be a real boy. I also see little reason to exclude non-human protagonists, particularly when they are anthropomorphized. You could certainly do an interesting analysis of child vs. adult vs. non-human vs. anthropomorphized animal protagonists, but when the discussion is about the gender ratio, these other categorizations just seem like excuses to minimize the number of male protagonists.</p>
<p>Another way of looking at it:</p>
<p>Disney era: 5 female; 5 male (Pongo for 101 Dalmatians and Lady for L&amp;T based on narrator/dominant perspective)</p>
<p>Post Disney: 1 female (Aristocats); 8 male; 1 ensemble</p>
<p>Renaissance: 4 female; 5 male; 1 ensemble</p>
<p>Post-Renaissance: 2 female; 8 male </p>
<p>In this count, the protagonists are split more or less equally in 2 eras and substantially unequal (in favor of male characters) in the other 2 eras, including the most recent.</p>
<p>Either way you slice it, the idea that Disney overrepresents female protagonists (in any era) holds no water.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C*O*N*T*E*S*T* W*I*N*N*E*R*S!! by peggy</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/blog/contest-winners#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen that drift in their stuff too and been disappointed. At one point they were the great, old-school alternative. I feel sort of betrayed by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen that drift in their stuff too and been disappointed. At one point they were the great, old-school alternative. I feel sort of betrayed by them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C*O*N*T*E*S*T* W*I*N*N*E*R*S!! by Jane</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/blog/contest-winners#comment-2120</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I&#039;m writing to them now. My sense of outrage has lessened in the last 24 hours. Grrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I&#8217;m writing to them now. My sense of outrage has lessened in the last 24 hours. Grrr.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cinderella Ate My Daughter by Simple Life &#124; Glitter and Grit</title>
		<link>http://peggyorenstein.com/books/cinderella.html#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Life &#124; Glitter and Grit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a blurring media, the fast track, phones &#8220;smarter&#8221; than people, and wanting to avoid Cinderella eating my daughter, a simple life calls. I am thinking of a weekly feature to bring you into my attempts to simplify [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a blurring media, the fast track, phones &#8220;smarter&#8221; than people, and wanting to avoid Cinderella eating my daughter, a simple life calls. I am thinking of a weekly feature to bring you into my attempts to simplify [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on C*O*N*T*E*S*T* W*I*N*N*E*R*S!! by Sonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I&#039;m not surprised by Melissa and Doug.  I was looking at their &#039;paper&#039; (really out of wood) dress up dolls recently and the boy dolls get firefighter or sport accessories etc to be dressed in - while the girl dolls only get a variety of clothes to choose from.  Not much range for girls there.  And the dolls aren&#039;t even the same shape - so you couldn&#039;t just mix and match the accessories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I&#8217;m not surprised by Melissa and Doug.  I was looking at their &#8216;paper&#8217; (really out of wood) dress up dolls recently and the boy dolls get firefighter or sport accessories etc to be dressed in &#8211; while the girl dolls only get a variety of clothes to choose from.  Not much range for girls there.  And the dolls aren&#8217;t even the same shape &#8211; so you couldn&#8217;t just mix and match the accessories.</p>
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